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Saturday, February 17, 2007

The Dead Cat Bounce

The Dead Cat Bounce defined by Wikipedia.


A dead cat bounce is a term used in market economics to describe a pattern wherein a moderate rise in the price of a stock follows a spectacular fall, with the connotation that the rise does not indicate improving circumstances. It is derived from the notion that "even a dead cat will bounce if it falls from a great height".
The phrase has been used on the trading floors for many years. However the earliest recorded use of the phrase dates from
1985 when the Singaporean and Malaysian stock markets bounced back after a hard fall during the recession of that year. The Financial Times reported a stock broker as saying the market rise was a 'dead cat bounce'.
The reasons for such a bounce can be technical - investors may have standing orders to buy
shorted stocks if they fall below a certain level, to cover certain option positions, or for speculation. Since bounces often occur, investors buy into what they hope is the bottom of the market, expecting a bounce and thus make a quick profit. The very act of anticipating a bounce can create and magnify it.
A market rise after a sharp fall can only really be seen to be a "dead cat bounce" with the benefit of hindsight. If the stocks starts to fall again in the following days and weeks, then the bounce was for technical or speculative reasons. If the stock remains steady, then the bounce is merely a correction to over-selling.


I bring up the dead cat bounce because I think Manhattan is probably experiencing it right now. In a previous entry I wrote about the Lazurus scenario that was occuring in the Manhattan market.

Mind you, I am not back pedaling on what I have written, but I am just bringing up another possibility that this just another aspect of the market entering its normalization phase. What got my wheels turning was the drastic drop in home prices on the national front.

This part probably got a lot of people choking on their breakfast.

In addition to weaker sales and declining prices, the number of homes on the market has been climbing. That suggests, economists say, that prices may have to fall further for sales to pick up and the overall housing market to recover. In the fourth quarter, the vacancy rate for owner-occupied homes was 2.7 percent, up from 2 percent a year before and the highest it has been since the Census Bureau started compiling the data in 1956.
“That means we have got a while before this thing fully adjusts,” said Edward Leamer, an economist at the
University of California, Los Angeles. Mr. Leamer noted that individual sellers often preferred to wait rather than cut the price to a level that would be agreeable to most buyers. That gap between seller and buyer is reflected in the decline in sales and the buildup in the number of homes sitting vacant.

With the rest of the nation crashing and burning, is Manhattan simply the last candle to burn out? Are we the dead cat bounce of America?

14 Comments:

  • I have to agree with you grunt! The market is very active right now in what is normally the most seasonally active months of the year, but this time its really active. Im not expecting it to last either as there are some fundamental concerns that could spill over to NYC real estate, especially when the slow summer months get here.

    I give it another 2 months for the frenzy to last, giving some homeowners a chance to get out while its hot. Come May, I expect activity to be much slower.

    By Anonymous UrbanDigs, at 5:54 AM  

  • Today's NYT has a piece on this. I've personally been bearish on the Manhattan housing market (we're renters who could afford to buy), but I have yet to see prices fall by 20% as I had expected. I just can't believe that Wall Street bonuses, Europeans seeking pied-a-terres, and empty nesters can drive price appreciation indefinitely!

    By Blogger Miserly Bastard, at 4:49 AM  

  • As someone who has been waiting for the insanity to slow down in order to buy, today's NYTimes article makes me wonder if I've made a big mistake.

    What to you think, Property Grunt? I've been a lurker on your blog for a long time, and would value your opinion.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:51 PM  

  • i have to disagree. the "dead cat bounce" only applies if prices have fallen. and as we all know, in NYC, the prices have not falled. they've stoped rising as quickly - and maybe in some areas there's been a slight correction - but in economic terms, the dead cat bounce only applies after a drastic price drop. sorry grunt.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:43 AM  

  • i'm shocked and disappointed that you won't post my comment. I guess you're that controlling and insecure.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:26 PM  

  • Which comment are you talking about?

    By Blogger Grunt, at 2:59 PM  

  • i sent in two comments basically stating that I have read your blog for probably as long as it's been available. You have consistently grunted about the impending doom of the market. I can only imagine how many thousands and thousands of dollars people have lost heeding your advice. New York City is not Las Vegas or Atlanta or parts of So Cal. Sure this market will correct itself, but not nearly the amount that someone has lost by waiting this last year for the bubble. And worse... waiting these last three years.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:12 PM  

  • The only comments I prevent from being posted are spam or negative remarks, like dergatory statemets about physical appearances.

    I have no problem taking criticism from anyone and more than willing to take my licks. Please send the same comments again.

    As for your accusation that I cost people money, I empathize with the way you feel. The media has bombarded us with data that we are in for a crash. But so far we haven't experienced anything major that states that the party is over which compounds your frustration.

    That is what is annoying about real estate. When the s**t hits the fan, we don't figure it out until it starts to smell. By then it is too late to do anything.

    I make an effort to call it like I see it and present as much information as possible. I am not in control with whatever conlusions people make. And I am not perfect.

    I admit I do have a more realistic attitude towards real estate and that is because of what I have learned about the industry and from people who are far more knowledgeable than I am. So far all of them have told me to watch my back.

    Whether for personal or investment uses, buying real estate is an enormous endeavor that requires not only a tremendous amount of money but a lot of soul searching.

    Buyers need to work the numbers in order to prepare for the worst because alot of bad things can happen so you have to prepare for them. They also have to feel confident with their purchase because buying real estate is not like shopping at Nordstrom. You can't just return it anytime you want.

    This is not a stock where you can dump it on a moment's notice. You are at the mercy of the market if you want to liquidate and it could take a month or years.

    As for your prediction that Manhattan will be triumphant despites the meltdowns, I am not comfortable sharing that opinion.

    As I have noted before there is a possibility that Manhattan will fare quite well but the odds are against it.

    http://www.newyorkbusiness.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070212/FREE/70212009/1048/breaking

    Take a look at this Crain's article stating that Brooklyn and Queens are getting hammered with foreclosures. I can't help thinking the possiblity looms that Manhattan will join their ranks.

    Unfortunately, all we can do is wait for the dust to settle.

    If you feel that my blog is inadequate for your needs I will be more than happy to recommend others that will hopefully fulfill your objectives.

    Not only is Curbed an amazing resource of information but it has a badass list of resources that have copious amounts of information.

    http://www.curbed.com/

    Over at Inman I recommend Alison Rogers, Bradley Inman and the rest of the Inman staff. The Inman blog has also become a dominant blogging force.

    http://blog.inman.com/
    http://www.inman.com/default.aspx

    Barry Ritholtz is also a fountain of information.
    http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/real_estate_/index.html

    Urbandigs has proven to extremely knowledgeable about the market.

    Frances Flynn Thorsen is the master of real estate outside of New York City and I bet she would be a force to reckon if she did business in Manhattan.
    http://www.francesflynnthorsen.com/

    Joyce Cohen isn't even in the industry. But she can run with the best of them and shown she has the balls to be a top notch NYT reporter.
    http://huntgrunt.blogspot.com/

    I am constantly learning from these people and at times humbled by what they bring to the table.

    I hope this helps, if not, please let me know and I will see whatI can do for you.

    By Blogger Grunt, at 6:11 PM  

  • I think dead count bounces only apply to INVESTORS not buyers of primary residences.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:34 AM  

  • Here's the deal....Everyone expected the market to decline by double digits. Many people have been renting for years waiting for this to happen. It hasn't happened. I just signed contracts to buy my first home in Manhattan and couldn't be happier about my decision. This is a long term investment. The market has stabilized, but no wholesale decline. With interest rates stable and the economy booming I didn't want to be left behind...yet again. Several of my friends have done the same or are in the market to purchase for the same reasons. We've come to the conclusion that prices are not coming down (significantly) any time soon and since Spring usually brings a jump in prices the time is now.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:42 PM  

  • Does anyone know the percentage of subprime homes vs. prime homes in the NYC market? This could be an interesting statistic. It seems that the current concerns are over foreclosures in the subprime market. Is the NYC marketplace big into subprime loans?

    Also, let's not ignore the aftershocks of the enormous default numbers in subprime. Those shocks are going to find their way to Wall Street one way or the other. When? And to what effect? I have not the wherewithall or Magic 8-ball to predict.

    I'm just a goofy Brooklyn renter without the money to buy chicken scraps from the west indian restaurants in my hood.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:49 AM  

  • Thanks for the list of blogs in the comments area. This is a bounce, but not sure if it's a dead cat. I expect to see it slow down a bit through summer and pick up again into the fall. Kinda like a normal real estate market. Ironically, chances are those spectacular sales the article mentioned are likely not the only homes owned by those folks either. If this was a second home or speculative market here, you might be right. But these are overwhelmingly homes where people live, and the cost of renting is sort of like buying an option that the money spent is better thrown away, because one expects the market to decline 20% or so. There is a real cost to that, and I suspect that the public has stared to feel that the cost of the option is too high.

    By Anonymous Peter Comitini, at 2:34 PM  

  • "i have to disagree. the "dead cat bounce" only applies if prices have fallen. and as we all know, in NYC, the prices have not falled."

    Well, besides that fact that nothing "falled", you're just wrong. Check the stats...

    We've already seen 10% price declines in some neighborhoods....

    Not to mention, this latest round could just be yet another bunch of broker BS. We'll see the stats when the dust settles.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:12 AM  

  • I am wondering what you are seeing in terms of leasing in other markets like DC. Do you think people feel the same that perhaps this is the bottom of the bust prices are not going to get any lower? And do you see the rental market shifting to a stronger position with so many foreclosures?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:06 AM  

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